Dragonlance-Raistlin

topic posted Sat, November 15, 2003 - 2:15 PM by  Colby!
I love the early dragonlance books. The character Raistlin and his story is amazing. I would love for it to become a movie. Here is a list of the books in chronological order.

1. Raistlin Chronicles: The Soulforge and Brothers in Arms

2. Chronicles series: Dragons of Autumn Twilight, Dragons of Winter Night, and Dragons of Spring Dawning

3.Legends series: Time of the Twins, War of the Twins, and Test of the Twins

4. And lastly: Dragons of Summer Flame
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Colby!
Seattle
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    Fri, November 21, 2003 - 7:11 AM
    Ya know...I never even realized that there was a summer dragon book. Was there a gap in publication? Cuz I definitely never saw it.... though I read the other ones at least twice...and I really wanted to find a bar just like the one in the first scenes of Autumn Twilight with beautiful wood. Just sounds too gorgeous to ever exist.
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      Fri, November 21, 2003 - 2:42 PM
      Dragons of Summer Flame was released several years after the original trilogy and in fact is pretty much ended the era that the original trilogy began and put Krynn firmly in the hands of the next generation. I stopped reading after that, as I had no interest in stories about Krynn that didn't feature any of the characters I really cared about.
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        Fri, July 1, 2005 - 7:43 PM
        Agreed Winter...
        -Kris
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          Sat, July 2, 2005 - 5:30 AM
          Haven't read these books for some time but I was actually thinking about Raistlin recently. Of all of the wizard books I have read he stands out. The gold tinged skin and the feeling that I could never quite grasp if he was good or evil. I stopped reading somewhere with the twins books. I read about 6 or so of the series and it just got to be too much.
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            Mon, July 11, 2005 - 3:09 AM
            thats the point, is he good or evil, he was evil to a point, but he could not over come the love of his bother. he was so week and sick that he would do anything to become strong, but when it came do to it he was not able to let go of his bothers love, so that what makes him good.
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              Mon, July 11, 2005 - 2:34 PM
              Incorrect.

              Part of Raistlin's test at the Tower of High Sorcery was to kill a simulacra of his brother. Raistlin DID overcome his love for his brother, it was Caramon who never gave up on Raistlin.

              -Kris
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                Wed, July 27, 2005 - 5:06 AM
                Indeed. Add to that all the times Raistlin took advantage of Caramon, especially in the Legends-series. He was evil and troubled. But ultimatly loveable in some weird way because you could understand why he became this way. His hour-glass eyes seem like a hell on earth to endure and i find it a tad unfair Par-Salian gave them, although he received that magical staff og Magius in return. Also, the interference of Fistandantilus distorts his character. He was feared by a dark-elf, which is proof enough he's evil ;)
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                  Wed, July 27, 2005 - 8:07 PM
                  now lets think of this, is Raistlin evil or was fistandantilus evil. raistlin did in the give his life for his bothers????
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                    Fri, July 29, 2005 - 1:11 AM
                    Ok, i admit he has a strong bond with his twin. But if you look at the way he treats other people, he's less than honorable anyway. I won't proclaim he's (in ad&d terms) true evil, but chaotic neutral at least.
                    Also, the way he left Chrysania to die in the Abyss while she was about the only woman that ever loved him, doesn't make him a very good person from my viewpoint.
                    Though i must stress: He earned my sympathy simply because of the great pain he has to andure and because he actually liked Tasslehof and Tasslehof _is_ my alltime favourite Weiss&Hickman-character.
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                      Fri, March 31, 2006 - 2:09 AM
                      <<Also, the way he left Chrysania to die in the Abyss while she was about the only woman that ever loved him, doesn't make him a very good person from my viewpoint.
                      Though i must stress: He earned my sympathy simply because of the great pain he has to andure and because he actually liked Tasslehof and Tasslehof _is_ my alltime favourite Weiss&Hickman-character. >>

                      You also left out the fact that he had a soft spot in his heart (black though it may have been) for Bupu, the only knwn gully dwarf mage/priest to ever exist...
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                    Mon, August 1, 2005 - 1:37 PM
                    Evil people kiss their wives and kids, too.

                    Nothing about evil precludes love, it just implies that a person thinks that malice, abuse, domination, and cruelty is 'appropriate' or 'right' (or, for that matter, 'justifiable')... Even if only to a smaller segment of the population. The honorable, kind, merciful person who gives money to charities, sponsors scholarships, pays his nephew's tuition, etc., but who has always hated black people (or Mexicans, or whatever ethnicity) and pagans (or atheists, or Lutherans, etc.), is *still* evil.

                    Remember: No one ever thinks they're evil.

                    Raistlin? Definitely evil... But people are complex, and sometimes good can come from the actions of evil people.
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                      Mon, August 1, 2005 - 1:38 PM
                      Nit on my own post:
                      "but who has always hated black people"
                      should be:
                      "but who has always hated, abused and vilified black people"
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      Fri, September 9, 2005 - 1:56 AM
      Dragons of Summer Flame wasn't part of the original trilogy, but a follow-up published much later...jeez it says this post is almost 2 years old but for some reason it appears on my recent posts list...wierd...
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    Sat, March 25, 2006 - 7:33 AM
    You left out the all important short story "Raistlin's Daughter" which IF memory serves is located in the anthology volume, "The Magic of Krynn"
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      Sat, March 25, 2006 - 5:41 PM
      First off reguarding the series, you all seem to forget the meetings sextet. Granted it wasn't all about the twins, but it did deal with how they all got together, from Tanis to Tas. It has been years since I have read anything Dragonlance, or TSR even, so the rest of the series I am not sure of.

      Reguarding if Raistlin was evil or not, yes he was evil, no he was not chaotic, in any means. Raistlin's alignment, Neutral Evil through and through.
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        Sun, March 26, 2006 - 8:14 AM
        Agreed on the issue of Raistlin's alignment. If you haven't read anything TSR in years, you should really give R.A. Salvatore's work a look over. If you liked Raistlin, you'd love Drizz't...
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          Tue, March 28, 2006 - 9:57 AM
          Amen, even though they are polar opposites, they are still cool in the same way....

          Gotta love the outcasts....
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            Tue, March 28, 2006 - 10:02 AM
            Raistlin is Clinically Depressed, with a side order of justifiable Chronic Rage. If that makes him evil then a lot of the very nicest, intelligent,and creative people I know are also evil and I just don't buy that.
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              Fri, March 31, 2006 - 5:52 AM
              But what you guys are not taking into concideration is that Raistlin was a character in AD&D, in the Dragonlance campaign world. In the world on the character sheet they printed for him, his alignment was Neutal Evil. This straight from the ones who played the character. This being said, personally I have played characters of that alignment from calcuating, controlled, "evil" to rather self-serving bastard types. THe fact that Raistlin's player chose to give him that attitude does not change what alignment he was given. One of the problems with the alignment rules in any D&D variant.
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                Fri, April 7, 2006 - 6:06 PM
                The only problem with that comment is that some players are wrong in what they write in the "Alignment" field. If a person writes "Neutral Good", but he plays the character with no mercy or kindness, and in fact a bit of cruelty, he simply wrote the wrong alignment. Alignment in D&D is descriptive, not prescriptive. "A person has these motivations, he's this alignment" (as opposed to "A person is this alignment, therefore he has these motivations").

                However, D&D Alignment is kind of off-topic here.