Recommendations

topic posted Sat, March 20, 2004 - 9:48 AM by  Kapaali
I need some new books, people. I haven't been blown away by a good fantasy in a loooong time, so please recommend something that's wonderful, something that will knock my friggin' socks off. I'm looking for the next Wreaththu, the next Imagica, something huge and grand and absorbing.
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    Sun, March 21, 2004 - 12:56 AM
    My addictions are George RR Martin, Robin Hobb and Gene Wolfe worse serious fantasy, Neil Gaiman, Terry Pratchett and Douglas Adams for the lighter side of Fantasy, and if ya want a little of both, go Glen Cook. Not much in the way of new in that list (although the third book in Hobb's Fool series was released in February), but hopefully one or more of those authors will be new to you. I am currently reading Latro in the Mist by Wolfe, and its amazing.
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    Sun, March 21, 2004 - 1:32 AM
    well it's nothing new but i was very pleasantly surprised. Moorcock's "The Dancers at the End of Time" is a fantastic read, very different from elric & friends, and a lot of fun. here's a review i dug up: www.scwu.com/bookreviews...imeThe.shtml
    also if you've yet to read gaiman's "American Gods", get it and start reading.
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      Tue, March 23, 2004 - 8:38 PM
      Yeah, I've read American Gods several times. It's on the yearly book list. Haven't read any Moorcock in a while, I might check that out.
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        Sun, July 4, 2004 - 8:55 PM
        If you liked American Gods, try Neverwhere. It was written by Neil Gaiman To.

        If you can find a copy of Bordertown, a chronicle of the Borderlands by Terri Windling and Mark Alan Arnold, I would recommend picking up a copy. I went to Amazon and was stuned to see they wanted $24.00 dollars a copy for a paper back. I bought my copy in collage back in 1988.

        The back cover :

        At the edge of the elflands...

        are the wild Borderlands, the only gateway between the elflands and the world. You have to be crazy to go to Bordertown, where elvin spells and human technology work equally unpredictably. But mant do--seeking magic, or fortune, or adveture, or the artistic muse.

        You have to be crazier still to go to the old part of the city, where kids and gangs have claimed the abandond buildings, fighting for turf with knives and rock and roll. But many do--because they've nowhere else to run.
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          Sat, October 8, 2005 - 11:51 AM
          >>If you can find a copy of Bordertown, a chronicle of the Borderlands by Terri Windling and Mark Alan Arnold, I would recommend picking up a copy.>>

          I've recently read three books that are a spin off of these (I'd love to find the orginal collections just to read the beginnings)....

          "Elsewhere" and "Nevernever" by Will Shetterly
          His wife, Emma Bull, also wrote one but I don't remember the name.

          Her "War for the Oaks" was a great read. My library classifies these are 'urban fantasy'. Mercedes Lackey also has a collection of books on elves in modern settings, starting with "Bedlam Bards."
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            Mon, October 10, 2005 - 9:25 PM
            I worship the ground that Emma Bull walks on for her character-driven writing - you can just tell she falls in love with someone she creates or channels in every book. She also reminds me of Charles de Lint, who I adore (he's also "urban fantasy", but he's the one who made me even consider reading something that could be labeled that way - the name 'urban fantasy' gives me horrible visions of the kid who finds tough elves in the trash bin, you know the sort of thing.)

            If you haven't read these other works of Bull's, go find them:
            Finder (going back to Bordertown with one of my favorite people from that series, Orient, whose talent is to magically find things whether he wants to or not)
            Bone Dance (a post-apocalyptic tale influenced by voodoo lore; tasty)
            Freedom & Necessity (the political-historical side of a british-flavoured world that never was, with two headstrong characters circling each other)
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    Sun, March 21, 2004 - 12:27 PM
    Elizabeth Haydon's "Symphony of the Ages" consisting of the books, Rhapsody, Prophecy, & Destiny. I enjoyed them very much. Mowed through them in 3 days (no sleep).


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      Mon, October 3, 2005 - 6:37 AM
      I love this series and there are actually 2 (soon to be 3) more books after Rhapsody, Prophecy, and Destiny called Reqium for the Sun, Elegy for a Lost Star, and The Assasin King. These a certain amount of time after the first 3 books *can't remember how long, ill have to re-read them before assasin king comes out* and anwser a lot of questions the first series left unanwsered and then of course creates all new ones :)
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    Mon, June 28, 2004 - 12:51 AM
    I'm seconding the reconmendation of George R. R. Martin's Song of Ice and Fire books. Write down the house banners as you go though because without a good memory it can get confusing. I've also become addicted to a less well known author called Kate Forsyth, whom I'm rather partial too. She has a series called Witches of Eileanan which I think has... six books in it now. My only caution is that perhaps don't read Irene Radford. Her books seem really good when you read them but she never finishes her series. She writes three books, leaves it on a cliff hanger and moves onto a different series.
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    Mon, October 3, 2005 - 9:45 AM
    Not sure if this is your cup of tea, but try reading American Gods by Neil Gaiman and then Anansi Boys (part of the same verse) that just came out. I thought they were great.
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    Mon, October 3, 2005 - 7:48 PM
    I loved the Deed of Paksenarrion trilogy: 'Sheepfarmer's Daughter,' 'Divided Allegiance,' and 'Oath of Gold,' by Elisabeth Moon. It goes into great detail about military and sword training from a realistic angle. In fact, all of her details are very realistic without going overboard with visual descriptions. You really feel like you're Paks as she goes thru her ordeals. Truly excellent.

    If you like 'dark fantasy,' try the Coldfire trilogy by C.S. Friedman: 'Black Sun Rising,' 'True Night Falls,' 'Crown of Shadows.' I'm pretty sure those are the correct titles. What I loved about these books, is one of the two main characters is evil and feeds off fear (literally, he'll whither without it). The other character is a very good-aligned character. They hate each other, but are forced to work together. It has a slow start, but once the evil character is introduced, it takes off. I flew thru the books, staying up really late and all that because I simply could NOT put them down. Beyond excellent.
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    Fri, October 7, 2005 - 7:50 PM
    Going to a classic might be a good idea. Not your normal sword & sorcery (sp?) I'm readin gthe compilation The Great Book Of Amber. The ten novels by Roger Zelazny set it the universe of the True world (Amber) and it's shadows. Have gettong throught hte first two or three books, and am enjoying it tremendously. (The sword & sorcery thing is overdone to my taste, with the exception of the Thomas Covenant books...for some reason)
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      Sat, October 8, 2005 - 10:32 AM
      Br. Katana: Did you mean the S&S thing is overdone in the Amber books, or in general? Jus' curious.

      The first five Amber books are a true set. Upon turning in the fifth, Roger acceded to his publisher's begging to do five more, but his life was about to undergo some changes, and you may get the impression reading the middle books (I seem to recall it being 3 and 4 of the second series) you may get the impression his heart wasn't in it. By the time he started the 5th book, however, he was leading a happier life. It shows. The last Amber book is a fitting conclusion and wonderfully done.

      Now to the 'continuation' of the series by John Gregory Betancourt, commisioned a few years after Roger died: They're simply awful. They lack the spirit of Amber, not to mention Roger's writing ability or even an attempt at his style, and one wonders if Betancourt gave the first two series more than a cursory reading before he wrote them, 'cause he just doesn't seem to get it.

      A writer who would have been equal to the task would have been Walter Jon Williams, who learned a lot about writing from Roger directly. His early novels "Hardwired" and "Knight Moves" are actually set in two different Zelazny universes with Roger's express permission, and have a lot of Zelaznyesque writing, but done quite well, unlike Mr Betancourt. But Walter has gone on to bigger and better things, and bigger and better novels, though he is still not the superstar he richly deserves to be.

      Further recommendations: Metropolitan and City on Fire, by Walter Jon Williams. Walter swears these are fantasy, and they can be read as such, or as sf, or an unusually fine mixture of both.
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        Sat, October 8, 2005 - 12:07 PM
        "Did you mean the S&S thing is overdone in the Amber books, or in general?"

        Just in general. Now, it could be that I'm a little out of it but all fantasy novels seem to be S&S. Piers Anthony used to write some fantasy novels (Incarnations of Immortality, for instance) that weren't just S&S.
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          Sat, October 8, 2005 - 2:09 PM
          There's plenty of good fantasy out there without a single elf or dwarf or magic sword, but it is overshadowed badly by the never-ending series of doorstop novels often written by writers of little talent. I can't speak for my talent, but I just completed a 100,000 word fantasy that features not a single one of those things, nor anything related to them, so I know it can be done by better authors than yours truly, and indeed it it.

          Of course by now everyone at least knows about Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell, which sort of turns the whole genre upside-down and gives it a good shaking.

          China Miéville (Perdido Street Station, this year's Hugo finalist Iron Council, etc) has a "New Weird" take on modern fantasy:

          "Two untrue things are commonly claimed about fantasy. The first is that fantasy and science fiction are fundamentally different genres. The second is that fantasy is crap.

          It's usually those who claim the first who also claim the second. The idea is that where SF is radical, exploratory and intellectually adventurous, fantasy is badly written, clichéd and obsessed with backwards-looking dreams of the past - feudal daydreams of Good Kings and Fair Maidens.

          It's easy enough to distinguish the writers at the far edges of the spectrum - Asimov versus Eddings, for example. But the problem with the 'sharp divide' argument is the number of writers - often very brilliant ones - who fall in the middle, who blur the lines. David Lindsay, William Hope Hodgson, Jane Gaskell, H.P. Lovecraft, Clark Ashton Smith, Gene Wolfe: the list could go on. These are writers for whom the 'fantastic' is not ethereal and wispy but tough and real, where 'magic' operates like science or science magic, and where the sense of subversion, of alienation, of sheer strangeness that saturates their work defies easy categorisation as SF or fantasy."
          (entire piece at www.panmacmillan.com/Feature...ate.htm)

          He mentions just a few writers doing good fantasy today. There are many others.
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            Sat, October 15, 2005 - 12:08 PM
            I am currently reading a book called "The Sight" by David Clement-Davies, which I am really enjoying. It has a unique twist; It's told completely from the perspective of a pack of Wolves. Not werewolves, just wolves. They deal with magic and curses, all of which takes place in the Transylvanian mountains.
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              Sun, October 16, 2005 - 8:49 AM
              I picked up "The Anubis Gates" by Tim Powers. It's about time-travellers, gypsies, scientists, Lord Byron and the gods of Egypt, set mostly (so far) in 1810 London. It's pretty good.
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                Sun, October 16, 2005 - 1:53 PM
                Pretty much ANYTHING by Tim Powers - and Anubis Gates is a good place to start - is a shining example of what a great fantasist can do. I recommend all his stuff from AG onwards, and I guess backward as far as The Drawing of the Dark. Deeply weird and wonderfully crafted.
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                  Sun, October 16, 2005 - 8:47 PM
                  "Last Call" was the first book I read by Powers and I just thought it was excellent. I read it one weekend, neglecting friends and household chores. I simply could not put it down. He really does his homework on what he's writing about and I love it when authors do that. It's one of the reason why I love Neil Gaiman so much.
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              Sun, October 16, 2005 - 11:05 AM
              >>"The Sight" by David Clement-Davies>>

              Isn't this the author of "Spirit" which I believe Disney made a cartoon feature from...the one about the horse? I read books all the time from the teen section and I'm pushing 60. I guess I'm one of those who get made funny of by "serious" fantasy writers...I LIKE ELVES...and sword fights and dragons and so forth. Screw serious. If I wanted serious I'd read the news.

              And I hate sci-fi unless its just a crutch for good fantasy.
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                Sun, October 16, 2005 - 8:48 PM
                Have you read Francesca Lia Block? She wrote the "Weetzie Bat" books (I named one of my cats after Weetzie). They are excellent. I, too, get a lot of books out of the teen section and I'm not afraid to admit it. ;-)
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                  Mon, October 24, 2005 - 10:51 AM
                  on the chldren's fantasy book thread....I highly recommend A "Circle of Cats" by Charles de Lint ; illustrated by Charles Vess. A beautiful book with a lovely Green Man who lives in an apple tree and a good message about belief in fairies (only those that believe...see.)
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                    Thu, November 3, 2005 - 3:13 PM
                    I am currently re-reading the "Thieves World" series edited by Robert Lynn Asprin. I would recommend it as a good "juvenile" read...
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                      Sun, November 6, 2005 - 6:19 PM
                      Just about finished "Fortress Draconis" by Michael Stackpole, second book in the "Dark Glory War" series. Follows a familiar pattern but nonetheless satisfying. Some new creatures and some new problems to solve.

                      It's not in the first rank with Robin Hobb or George RR. Martin, but its engaging enough.
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    Sun, November 6, 2005 - 6:59 PM
    The Merovingen Nights series, edited by C.J. Cherryh, is a mix of SF & Fantasy. There are 8 books all told. The first, Angel with the Sword, was written by Cherryh and sets up the world. The remaining books -- Festival Moon, Fever Season, Troubled Waters, Smuggler's Gold, Divine Right, Flood tide, and Endgame (in that order) -- contain stories of varying length written by various authors, such as Leslie Fish, Robert Lynn Asprin, Mercedes Lacky, Janet Morris, and others. Many of them come back in all the volumes to carry on their particular story line. Some writers only appear once or twice, filling in some bit that they thought needed illumination. Cherryh provides some connective material, as well. They're not recent, so you'll have to buy them used.
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      Mon, November 7, 2005 - 7:00 PM
      Oh, I'll heartily second this recommendation. The Merovingen Nights series are great reads, and the various storylines actually intertwine much more than you'd expect from such a great group of authors. Cherryh's world-building expertise really shines through in these books, since her original book, Angel with the Sword, was so vibrant in demonstrating the way the city of Merovingen works, looks, smells, feels, et cetera.
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      Fri, December 9, 2005 - 5:14 AM
      <<The Merovingen Nights series, edited by C.J. Cherryh, is a mix of SF & Fantasy. There are 8 books all told. The first, Angel with the Sword, was written by Cherryh and sets up the world. The remaining books -- Festival Moon, Fever Season, Troubled Waters, Smuggler's Gold, Divine Right, Flood tide, and Endgame (in that order) -- >>

      Thank you, thank you, thank you... if only you knew how long I have been trying to get a list of the titles in that series... I first read Festival Moon years ago and thought it was a wondreful series, remniscent of Thieves World, but I have never been able to find them since...
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    Mon, December 12, 2005 - 11:37 AM
    r. scott bakker's "prince of nothing" trilogy, beginning with "the darkness that comes before." it's certainly huge, grand & absorbing!
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    Wed, December 14, 2005 - 11:27 PM
    pc hodgell.......godstalk.....then dark of the moon.....
    search high and low for she is not easily available....the used book stores or library would be the place to start.....
    she is my absolute favorite and i love fantasy but am super duper picky....
    good luck.....
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      Fri, December 23, 2005 - 9:50 AM
      Maybe has already been posted, but any of the Forgotten Realms books, especially the ones by R.A. Salvatore, or Elaine Cunningham.

      I guess I much prefer Realms over Dragonlance.
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        Thu, December 29, 2005 - 1:06 PM
        I love R.A. Salvatore's Drizzt books, especially the earlier stuff, (the Dark Elf trilogy, the Crystal Shard trilogy and the first 3 of the Legacy of the Drow quadrilogy). Elaine Cunningham is good too.

        I also love the two original Dragonlance trilogies (Chronicles and Legends). But then it just branched out into too many side stories for me to keep up with and the new authors didn't impress me. I'm sure some were good, but I lost interest.
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    Fri, December 23, 2005 - 9:56 AM
    If you don't mind chasing a story through a dozen or more books, some not even listed as part of the "series" I would highly suggest Stephen King's Dark Tower/Gunslinger series. It's really more fantasy than horror, with wizards and demons and dimentional portals. I guess it really sits on the borders of a lot of related fictional genres. But it's an absolutely fabulous story, if you don't mind tackling a sometimes daunting series.
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      Fri, December 23, 2005 - 4:07 PM
      I like that style of epic saga... including the stuff not necessarilly listed. More like real life... Not over cross-referrenced... When you tell a story to someone, very rarely, if ever, do you do it eggiciently.. These books read like someone talking to you. I like that.